I’m a big Brian Griese fan and I have been since I watched him embarrass Ryan Leaf in the Rose Bowl.
Brian Griese is an excellent QB in his own right; in some ways superior to John Elway, and Griese certainly outperformed Jake Plummer as Denver’s starting QB. Making him the whipping boy for Denver’s woes during his stay in the Mile High City, or calling him untalented and worthless, is a considerable distortion of reality.During his short stay in Denver, Brian Griese did things even John Elway never did, and certainly didn’t even approach so early in his career.
In 2000 Griese had the 2nd highest TD to INT ratio in league history throwing 19 TDs and only 4 INTs. Elway never threw fewer than 10 INTs his entire career. Not even under Mike Shanahan.
Elway only had three seasons where his completion percentage topped 60%. His first didn’t come until 1993 and he ended his career with a rating of 56.9%.
Griese had three back to back 60+% seasons – his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years as a starter – and has a career rating of 61.8%.
Griese also held his own when compared to Denver’s new sweetheart QB, Jake Plummer.
Under Griese in ’02, Denver had the #2 ranked offense in the league. Only Oakland was better and then only fractionally so – Denver had 6,090 total yards, Oakland had 6,237.
Griese also had a 66.7 completion percentage in `02. In `03, Plummer’s was 62.6.
While Griese threw only 15 TDs, he also threw only 15 INTs, and the fact that Denver still managed over 6,000 yards (3,214 yds of that came thanks to Brian’s arm) says that he was not only effective in moving the team, but that an outstanding running game lowered his overall numbers.
Denver’s Defense was also ranked #2 for the `02 season, but it was massive breakdowns in the defensive secondary and along the defensive front (remember the idiotic one man rushes against Oakland?) that caused several important losses (like that humiliating defeat to Oakland). The defense also allowed one fewer point than the offense scored for the season.
In `02 Griese had the offense scoring 24.5 pts per game. Unfortunately, the defense was giving up 21.5.
In `03 Plummer and the offense scored 23.8 points per game, not as good as Griese’s numbers from the year before. But Denver still went to the playoffs. Why? Well, that’s easy, it’s because the defense only allowed 18.8 pts per game. That’s a huge change from the previous year.
Going back a bit further to the 2001 season, Griese threw for 23 TDs and 19 INTs. The offense put up only 4817 yds – which would make them the 21st ranked offense – , but Griese’s arm counted for 2,827 yards of that. Even with the lowered output in yardage, Griese still managed to put up 21.3 pts per game – which really makes them the #10 ranked offense – , while the supposedly #4 ranked defense gave up 21. 2 pts per game – which really makes them the #12 ranked defense.
During the `01 season Denver’s O was also faced with an avalanche of injuries, yet poor pathetic Brian Griese still had the offense outperforming the defense in the only area that matters – scoring.
And before you rag on Griese for his `01 INTs, that same year Kurt Warner threw 22 INTs, Peyton Manning threw 23 and even Brett Favre tossed fifteen balls to the other team.
So that brings us to the modern age and Plummer is a hero where Griese is considered a fop. But Plummer has yet to match Griese’s performance, even while benefitting from 1. A far healthier offense and 2. The departure of Ray Rhodes and his moronic defensive schemes; schemes which consistently overcame offensive excellence the previous two seasons.
Plummer threw for only 2,182 yds last year with only 15 TDs, and his completion percentage (62.6) was lower than Griese’s in the previous two seasons. The offense as a whole had a pretty nice 5598 yds total, but still isn’t up to what Griese squeezed out of it the previous year.
Then there are those of you who say, “Griese was a dink and dunk QB! That’s why he had such a high completion percentage!”
Right, it wasn’t smart quarterbacking, it was wimpishness responsible for Griese’s success.
Yet Jake Plummer’s `03 Yards Per Attempt was 7.23, while Griese’s `02 YPA was 7.37. So not only was Griese’s `02 completion percentage higher than Plummer’s `03 completion percentage (62.6), but his average pass was longer than Plummer’s, too. Or maybe what you’re also saying that Plummer is a “dink and dunk” QB.
To take this further, John Elway had a career YPA average of 7.1 yds. Griese’s career average is 7.0, a whopping .1 yards less. Was Elway a dink and dunk guy, too?
Some of you might now claim that “Griese wasn’t a leader! He had no heart!”, yet – as I mentioned before – the offense lead by this wimp of a QB surpassed that lead by Plummer in both the cosmetic Yards Passing statistic, but also in the far more than cosmetic Points Scored statistic.
You may have also failed to watch the `01 game where Griese tore his rotator cuff, but continued playing like a gunslinger after the injury and bought Denver a victory against AFC West rival Oakland.
Whether you measure him by his heart, by his ability to lead or by his statistics, Brian Griese did a damn fine job as the Denver Broncos’ starting QB.
The Denver Broncos did not fail in `01 and `02 because of Brian Griese, they failed because of the defense – specifically because of a weak secondary and poor defensive schemes introduced by Ray Rhodes. The Broncos also did not succeed in `03 because they replaced Griese with Plummer. They succeeded because they got rid of Ray Rhodes and as a result the defense finally started holding up its end of things.
But what about Miami?!
But what about Griese’s brief stint in Miami, where he didn’t even unseat Jay Feidler? Hasn’t he underperformed his entire career?
No, he hasn’t.
Even Mike Shannahan would not put Griese down based on his ability, his heart or his toughness. Shannahan only bemoaned Griese’s style of play as not being in line with his (Shanahan’s) preferences — that being the Elway style.
Would Shanny have been happy with ANY pocket passer short of perhaps a young Dan Marino? Probably not.
How many games did Griese play last year for Miami? three full games and parts of two more? He had one brilliant game, two lousy games and two pretty good games. He won two close games, lost two close games and lost a blowout.
When did he come in? Was it week 8? So he went half the season with almost no reps, came in and performed at an overall mediocre level. Why is that surprising?
He was just hitting his stride when he was replaced by Fiedler and what did Jay do? He relieved Griese in the middle of one game and played even worse than Brian had played that day. Then Fiedler started the next game against a weak Washington team, barley pulled out a one point win and was even more inconsistent than Griese the rest of the season.
In fact, Miami was inconsistent all season long on both sides of the ball. You could expect either unit to play like heros one week and like a HS team the next. It was a miracle that they were actually in the hunt for the final wildcard spot.
I guess this year will tell one way or the other. Last season Griese came in late and was still recovering from surgery. This year Griese will have an entire offseason to prepare for and fight for the starting job in Tampa and there’s no reason to believe he won’t begin the year healthy.
Rob Johnson has an edge, because he’s been in Gruden’s system for a couple years. But Griese is the better QB and I’ll be surprised if he fails to nail down the starting job at some point.
11 replies on “In Defense of Griese”
It comes down to winning games… Griese’s stats are all fine and dandy, but when you are with the Denver Broncos, it comes down to PLAYOFF WINS. If I’m not mistaken (and please correct me if I am wrong), Brian Griese’s career playoff record is a whopping 0-1. That is why Griese gets bashed more than he probably should. Even John Elway had the critics on his back until his two Super Bowl wins. Look at Donovan McNabb after the three straight NFC Title game losses. Look at Peyton Manning up until last year’s run (and if the Colts don’t go to the Super Bowl this year, it will start all over again). You can point fingers at the defense all you want, but this is going to follow Griese until he starts winning playoff games, wherever that may be.
Post Season Yes, fair or not, QBs get judged by post season success. I thought it was bs when Elway was bashed for post season failures, and I feel the same with Griese or any other QB.
Dilfer won a SB. Does that make him a great QB?
Elway is the perfect example as to why this is an inane standard. He carried his team there three times. Denver failed AS A TEAM all three times.
McNabb seems to exception to this rule. He has proven unable to carry his team, and has fallen short of the SB three times. Yet very few people judge him by his failures.
In short: It’s a bogus standard, but I accept that it is used.
I’m still not buying the Griese thing First of all I grew up in Michigan and cheered on Brian Griese every game of the 1997 season and saw him help lead the Wolverines to a NCAA title. I thought he would be a great pro, but I was wrong.
You started defending him with statistics and numbers and lost me right away. The only thing the NFL cares about is wins and losses, especially in the playoffs. Brian Griese is 0-0 in the playoffs. He has never even taken the Broncos to the playoffs and you are comparing him to John Elway! Griese is what he is, a good system QB who doesn’t have quite enough playmaking ability to be an elite NFL QB.
Please jump off the Griese bandwagon, it’s parked in Tampa right now hoping he stays on as the 3rd string QB. No way he beats out BRAD Johnson.
Griese Ok. You’ve told me how you feel and why, but you haven’t done anything to prove your point of view or to disprove mine. For instance, you haven’t told me why Denver’s defensive failings or Griese’s ability to keep the entire offense performing at a very high level during that time are irrelevent. You haven’t shown me anything that contradicts me when I say that Denver’s inability to tally up more W’s had little or nothing to do with the quality of his leadership or his personal performance.
I made specific points and supported them with what I believe to be relevent facts. You may be able to convince me I was mistaken, but it’ll take more than generalities to get the job done.
If not, no big. It isn’t like Griese is my kid, or yours. I doubt either of us will lose any sleep based on what the other thinks about him.
Yeah, saying “Rob” instead of “Brad” Johnson was a boneheaded error. My bad. I guess we’re even, since you wrongly said that Brian never lead Denver to a playoff game. Brian and the Broncos were humiliated by the Ravens, Sunday, Dec 31, 2000, by a Ravens defense that was easily one of the greatest in NFL history.
GRIESE careful on your spelling, its GRIESE, not GREISE
thank you I fixed it in the article.
no problem i just started out on this , i wasn’t sure if you could go back in and change the spelling for the title. i agree with some of what your saying. i am from denver, and being a michigan fan, i tend to like griese. so it ‘s good to see someone defend him. but now, whatever he had, he doesnt’ seem to have it anymore. he looked horrible with the dolphins…
Griese in Miami You’re right, he didn’t play at his highest level with Miami. But I believe that his coming into the program late while recovering from an operation, then not getting any reps until mid season, are the reasons for that.
I guess we’ll see this year.
A lot of people, not just here, are rabidly against Griese. They don’t like his personality, they don’t like his style, they really don’t like anything about him.
I can understand saying that he had to go because he isn’t the type of QB Shanahan likes to work with. But I can’t understand dumping all of Denver’s woes at his feet when he performed superbly and there were clearly other areas where the team failed considerably.
symptom of being a QB When you play the hot position, you take all the blame as well as the glory. If Philly doesnt win the SB this year, who is going to get the brunt of it? McNabb.
Griese was a convenient target cause he was also such a fool. Who trips over their dog?
McNabb and Tripping I don’t know about McNabb. He’s lost three straight NFC Championships and has been give a pass. Why? I’m not getting it. While I don’t believe he should be hammered for it, I wonder why he isn’t when any other QB would be.
Yeah, the tripping thing made him look way goofy, same with falling down in TD’s driveway. That he wasn’t a buddy-buddy type guy bugs people, too.
I get that evaluating sports is an inductive process and that different people will lend weight to different aspects of any evaluation. But a lot of what’s said about Griese is based on opinions formed by giving weight only to the goofy crap that didn’t have anything to do with his play, and utterly ignoring his contributions to the team.
McNabb got a pass vs STL – no one expected Eagles to win
vs TB – he got ROASTED in philly
vs CAR – he was let off the hook because if you watch that game, Pinkston and Thrash gave away those INTs and overall, played so poorly that it overshadowed anything bad McNabb did.
No excuses this year.