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Should Pete Rose be granted re-instatement and elected to the HOF?

Yes for both   5 votes - 62 %
Just re-instatement   0 votes - 0 %
No for both   3 votes - 37 %
 
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Why Charlie Got Hustled: The Long Overdue Call From the Hall | 9 comments (9 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Does anyone else... (#1)
by JDWC on Tue Jul 18 2006 at 2:10 PM EST
...find it ironic, that if you're timing is right, clicking on the headline or 'full story' to view the whole page, the advertisement at the top sometimes says 'BET ON BASEBALL'?

That's a little bit funny if you ask me.
J.D.

Charlie hustler (#2)
by newfoot on Tue Jul 18 2006 at 2:54 PM EST
Nice tribute...he played the game at a superb level.

The fact remains - he lied (denial of betting) and he did bet on baseball.  Which means he broke the rules... like others who aren't in the Hall of Fame.

Perhaps Rose should start his own shrine (or maybe one could pop up here on the Sportscolumn site)... the Hall of inFame (or is that Infamy?).

Feel sorry for him? Sure - but it is more like, "too bad he had such bad judgement - he could have been in the Hall of Fame".

Reinstate him? Not a chance - where does the line get drawn then?  Great players who lie cheat and ignore the rules - what is the point of the game then?

Then why? (#3)
by JDWC on Tue Jul 18 2006 at 3:04 PM EST
Why are players who used steroids going to be inducted?

It seems like Rose was banned from baseball because he did something immoral, not because he bet on baseball...His betting did not affect the game at all or the people around him, just himself.
J.D.
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As a Phillies fan (#4)
by Vin on Tue Jul 18 2006 at 3:39 PM EST
I should be a Rose apologist but I'm not.  There's one rule in the clubhouse and that's DO NOT BET ON BASEBALL.  Pete Rose did.  

I don't think the steroids users should get in the Hall either but Rose certainly doesn't belong there.  Whether it's hypocritical or not (and yes it is) it's the #1 rule.  You can't violate the #1 rule.  It's like talking about Fight Club.

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Perception is reality (#5)
by newfoot on Wed Jul 19 2006 at 12:00 PM EST
I am definitely against the steroid slammers getting in the Hall of Fame too.  and even if they do, two wrongs don't make it right so Rose shouldn't be there.

His betting did affect the people around him - he shamed the Phillies.

Rose's betting could be allegorious to the Black Sox scandal.  How do we know he wouldn't (or didn't) bet against his team and leave a pitcher in too long or change the line up to make for worse fielding or batting just to win his bet...  we don't know - but gambling can cause people to do funny things.  Even the perception that it was possible to throw games that he bet on would be enough - it is immoral and it breaks the rules -

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Definition of the Word (#6)
by Vtknowitall on Wed Jul 19 2006 at 12:06 PM EST
You cannot say that Pete Rose does not belong in the baseball hall of FAME. I know he committed the ultimate sin of sports and he should have been banned. But you cannot keep one of the greatest players ever out of the hall. We have never talked about erasing or asticing his records. By the fact that he was a great and his records stand, I think you have to put Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame, even if it is with an astrice. In baseball Pete Rose is famous, whether he is officially in the game or not, Charlie Hustle deserves a plaque.

and ONE (#9)
by gdb on Wed Jul 19 2006 at 3:53 PM EST
Your reasoning is why I feel the same about Rose. I also don't buy the argument that betting is less of an offense than steroids.

Simple test: is it safer to say that more players would be likely to use (have used) steroids than bet on games?


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Rose (#7)
by Garrett Rudolph on Wed Jul 19 2006 at 12:41 PM EST
The thing that got me with Rose was that in an interview I saw with him once he made a comment about how he would be able to charge two or three times as much for his autograph if he was inducted into the hall of fame. All he really cares about is the money.

So what?! (#8)
by JDWC on Wed Jul 19 2006 at 1:52 PM EST
Barry Bonds is an asshole too. Mickey Mantle wasn't that great of a guy. I'm sure a few other HOFers cared as much about the money as the accomplishment. But I can GUARANTEE you right now that Rose does not want to be re-instated and put in the HOF just to charge more for an autograph. The man loved the game, that's why he wants in.

If anything, Rose shamed the Reds. But isnt the HOF a shrine to the greatest baseball players to live, not a shrine to the great players who also led perfectly moral lives?

The Major League Baseball Hall of Fame: Where the best of the best are enshrined for their baseball careers. Yeah, their baseball careers not their lives outside of baseball, even if their actions may have had something to do with baseball.

And, it's safe to say that Rose didn't leave pitchers in too long purposely, etc. because he was a great manager and had a winning ballclub. Besides did you miss the memo where he didn't bet AGAINST the Reds?
J.D.
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