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I tried to resist... (#6)
by IUfan62 on Mon Oct 15 2007 at 3:51 PM EST

from commenting but I just cannot. I'll admit, I'm a Mets fan, but I just flat out don't understand some of the points you made. You can't possibly convince me that the odds of losing 4 straight games in the ALCS when you're up 3 games to none is better the the Mets collapse. There have been other regular season collapses, worse ones for that matter, but no team EVER lost 4 straight games in a playoff series after going up 3-0. I don't see how you can logically believe that the yankees collapse had better odds than the Mets. Next order of business, the Yankees didn't relinquish the title? Maybe I'm mistaken, but I believe that the Yankees blew 2 maybe 3 leads in the 9th inning in the final 4 games. How did the Yankees not blow it? And I'm sorry, but when you are up 3-0 and all you need to win is 1 game, 1 game! The yanks blew it I'm sorry. "The Yankees made the playoffs." I don't understand that. Blowing the lead we had hurt but I was able to get over it because the team just wasn't good enough to go far in the playoffs. The Yanks had 1 foot through the door to the World Series and choked. To me, that would hurt a lot more than blowing a September lead when the team was not that great anyway. And the arrogance, how ironic. The fact that you bring up Met fan arrogance is a sign of the apocolypse. Yankee fans are the biggest douchebags in the sporting world. Your arrogance has lasted for a decade. That's why those guys tortured you in 2004. I don't feel bad for you, I don't think anyone does. Yankee fans are douchebags, plain and simple, and that's why it feels so good to torture them. The historian approach to deciding the success of a decision if to wait 20 years. I think if we wait 2 decades, we will realize that the 2004 Yankee collapse is so much worse than the Met collapse of 2007 and as people forget the Met collapse, everyone will remember the historic collapse of the Skankees in 2004.

listen lassie (#7)
by YankTank on Mon Oct 15 2007 at 5:17 PM EST

You can't argue with facts. The odds of the mets blowing their season was 500-1. The Phillies in the 60s blew an even bigger lead, and the odds of that were 25-1. I'm not pulling those numbers from the air, check the BaseballProspectus.
The Yankees lost to a team that then went on to sweep the NL champ and win the world series. The Mets lost to a team that got swept in the first round. The Phillies won bc you scratched on the 8-ball. The Red Sox won bc they ran the table at the end of the game.
There's nothing I hate more than the offseason. Nothing. The later it comes, the better. So yeah, I would have much rather watched the Yankees play through 3/4 of the postseason, then have to do what you and I are both doing now: avoiding TBS.
Mets fans were arrogant. I dont know if YOU were per se. But come on. It's like common knowledge the fan base in general was acting like Shooter McGavin in Happy Gilmore all. season. long. Outside of Mets fan, there's little dissention on this point. And I conceded that Yankee fans are arrogant! And what's ironic is that mets fans made fun of our 14 game deficit all season and then blew their own lead.
I didnt ask for you to feel bad for us. I feel bad for YOU. Ugh, I seriously felt so so bad for mets fans the morning after. But if thinking 2004 is worse puts you to sleep, then lock it up. All I'm saying is I personally would live through 2004 a million times over rather than live through what you guys did.

You're right, historians will prob cite 2004 as the worst. But that's bc the majority of baseball fans delight in the Yankees downfall, some fans delight just as much as if not more than watching their own team win. Sad. And the Yankees-Sox rivalry will always pull the trump card. If in 2008 the Mets do waht the Sox did to us, I still think 2004 would be worse, bc the Mets aren't usually a blip on the Yanks' radar.

Points noted, IUfan, but cmon, ease up. The Yankees didn't do anything to you.

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"The Yankees didn't do anything to you" (#8)
by IUfan62 on Mon Oct 15 2007 at 10:29 PM EST

I don't think I can ever ease up on the yankees. Ever. The 90's were too traumatizing. Anyway we obviously have different feelings here but I have to say that the choke in 2004 wasn't just worse because it was the Yankees. It was that a choke like that never happened in baseball history. The fact that it was the Yannkees just made it oh so sweeter. No matter how you slice it, the Mets' choke just doesn't match up to the Yankees choke or the '64 Phillies choke. It is just a bad choke. The Yankees choke is a historical that will never be surpassed. The real animosity I had towards the article was in the title and how you said the torch was passed. I just don't beleive the Mets had a worse choke than the Yanks. Oh and by the way, the arrogance point, of course Mets fans taunted the Yankee fans. What do you think you guys did throughout the past decade. And like I said Yankee fans are douchebags so the making fun of your 14 game deficit is justified.

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: I give up (#9)
by YankTank on Tue Oct 16 2007 at 2:58 PM EST

So..you're mad at the Yankees bc they were good in the 90s and traumatized you? What did you want them to do, lose on purpose so the Mets would stop whining?
Well, I can't argue with that airtight reasoning. You make a strong case. For what, I'm not sure, but if not the Yanks sucking, then definitely your rhetoric.
I'm getting the impression you will not be slowed by logic. So I concede. Yankees suck at life and never win big games. The Mets are awesome. And they DEFINITELY don't have a torch.
IUfan: 1, Yanktank: 0.

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The Scorch Has Been Passed to a New Generation | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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