good fricking gracious. Virginia Tech didn't have a thug in its history until 2001. We were a bunch of country guys and big farmer types. People seem to forget that Tech's image problems are recent. Name one dirty player that was here before guys like Marcus and Jimmy Williams. Name one from before 2001. You can't. I acknowledge that we have some problems right now, but nobody has been saying that for years. Bruce Smith, Antonio Freeman, John Engelberger and Jim Druckenmiller were our star players before Michael Vick came and lured in "big time" recruits.