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Deflated Dynasty | 6 comments (6 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Cellar Dweller (#2)
by BostonMac on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 2:45 PM EST
Your argument is so tired.  You can't win three Super Bowls on luck.  You just can't.  Sounds like sour grapes.

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What about Joey Porter (#3)
by Editor on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 4:29 PM EST
claiming that the Patriots were handed the championship in 2001 cause of 9/11.

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I didn't say that (#4)
by Cellar Dweller on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 5:04 PM EST
I didn't say that the Pats won 3 SB on luck. I said they were the luckiest of the SB dynasties. I acknowledged that they were a great team. The point was that the other dynasties were much more dominant, and much less dependent on chance. The tuck ruling - chance. Kasay's kickoff going out of bounds and giving the ball to the Pats at the 40 - chance.

There are no goal line stands (SB 16 49'ers) that define the Pats. There are no blowouts (Cowboys v. Bills) that define the Pats. There is no utter domination (Steelers v. Vikings) that define the Pats.

There are no sour grapes here. I rooted for the Pats in the SB against the Rams. I just acknowledge how much good fortune they had to go along with their excellence. And, without the good fortune, their excellence would not have been enough to win 3 rings. They wouldn't have reached the first SB. They may not have reached the second one either, if Bennett had caught the pass that hit him right in the hands. And, the kickoff out of bounds? That's not excellence on the part of the Pats, that pure luck and a lack of concentration by the opponent.

I'll use a tennis analogy. The Pats were the recipients of a lot of unforced errors in their title runs. That cannot be said of the other dynasties. But, as I said before, they were a great team. Just not as great as the other dynasties.

I watched The Drive, and The Catch on live television. I'm just not as impressed with 30 yard, game winning FIELD GOAL drives.

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please... (#5)
by JDWC on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 6:03 PM EST
say you are kidding! You are obviously anti-Patriots if you are just going back and recounting how they won because of chance. That happens in every sport in every game. What if the officials had looked at the replay of the Texas lateral touchdown in the Rose Bowl when Vince Young's knee was clearly down? What if Reggie Bush hadn't tryed to lateral the ball on that long run? Does this mean that Texas won the Rose Bowl on chance too?
J.D.
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Not kidding, nor anti-Patriots (#6)
by Cellar Dweller on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 9:56 PM EST
I'll say again, and please read carefully. The New England Patriots, who won 3 SB in 4 years, were not only a great team, but one of only a handful of NFL dynasties. However, in comparison to the other dynasties, the Pats were less dominant, and aided with more good fortune during their run.

They won their titles by a total of 9 points, and had at least 3 game altering plays VERY late in three separate games that were more the product of CHANCE than their excellence. If not for this chance, the Pats excellence would not have been enough to win 3 titles in 4 years. Exhibit A is the tuck play against the Raiders. Without that chance occurrence, the Pats don't even get to that first title game.

You are correct about there being chance plays in every game. However, a chance play, or any play early in a game has much less impact than a play late in a game. Why? Because early in a game there is still quite a bit of contest left to determine the outcome. A team can recover from early misfortune because there is time to regroup, and develop a new strategy based on the circumstances. Late in a game, the opportunities to compensate for an error are severely limited, mostly by time.

I don't recall any of the other dynasties being the recipients of UNFORCED errors in the closing minutes of big games. An unforced error in football is an error where the opposition had no direct effect on the player making the error. Such as the tuck play, a fumble that wasn't a fumbe. Or, Drew Bennett dropping a pass on 4th down in a position to win the game. Or, a kicker who kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff.

I don't recall any close SB's in other dynasties that had an impactful play that was an unforced error. I don't know of any other dynasty having tuck play in their history. Furthermore, I don't recall any other dynasty being so closely matched, where the outcome was in question until the very end, in all of their SB's, like with the Pats. Every other SB dynasty was DOMINANT. There was never an opportunity for chance because they so thoroughly dominated the opposition that their games were out of reach in the final minutes.

The Patriots were a great team. Not as great as the Joe Greene Steelers. Not as great as the Lott and Montana 49'ers. Not as great as the Smith, Irvin Cowboys. Not as great as the Starr Packers. Not as great as the Greise, Czonka Dolphins. Not as great as the Elway, Terrell Davis Broncos. But, better than the Staubach Cowboys. Better than the Gibbs Redskins. Better than the Plunkett Raiders. Better than the Lawrence Taylor Giants (only slightly, though).

I'm not anti-anything. I'm just analyzing the data.

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