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The True College Football Rankings: The way I saw them and now see them | 2 comments (2 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
The Rankings/Polls (#1)
by collegefbfan on Fri Nov 19 2004 at 8:35 AM EST
I tend to agree with you in some areas.  Some, however I do not.  Auburn playing either Oklahoma or USC interests me more than the Oklahoma/USC matchup. But it is not what I like.  Facts are facts.  Auburn has played and defeated some really good teams. They also played Louisiana-Monroe and The Citadel. Not the every day great college teams. Oklahoma has no Division I-AA teams on their schedule.  The thing about your rankings are a little misconfigured. You said that a team's rankings should not be based on record. Base the rankings on the team itself. If a team is not winning, then what is it doing? Losing. Teams that have lost by one point should be ranked high? Okay, so a team that loses every game by one point and goes 0-12 for the season should go to a major bowl/national championship. As if the BCS wasn't bad enough. No matter how much a team wins by, a win is a win. As for the Oklahoma/Baylor/
Texas A&M point. Texas A&M looked past Baylor. Which of those two teams has the better record? The team that can show up week in and week out and win is the better team. Texas A&M wanted revenge against Oklahoma for last year's beating so they forgot about Baylor. You keep referring to the Wisconsin/Michigan State game. Michigan State almost beat Michigan. So, Wisconsin had it coming. Aside from that fact, Wisconsin still has a better record than Michigan State, so Wisconsin is ranked higher. No points or championship titles are given for "almost" winning. No athletic director or school president is going to tell a coach, "Go and recruit a great team. We don't care if you lose every game by one point." I agree that your ratings are right, IF AND ONLY IF YOU COUNT "ALMOST" WINNING. The game of college football is based on a very simple equation. A team that scores more points than their opponent gets a "W" in the win column. The more wins you get, the higher that team's rankings go. You have a good or great season, then the team goes to a bowl or even the national championship.
Brian Hodges
let me clear it up (#2)
by bsd987 on Thu Dec 02 2004 at 3:45 PM EST
I wrote this quickly and I think at times I started to confuse my power ratings and my polls so it probably led to confusion.

I am not counting almost winning as winning. I look at the truth of the team. Wisconsin was #18 at that point BECAUSE they were 9-0. If they were 7-2, they'd be #30 or something. I gave them extra benefits for winning. But they were a horrible team. The Big Ten as a whole, all 11 teams included, are average or terrible. Wisconsin is borderline (i.e. lucky).

If Wake was 8-1 instead of 4-5 at this point, the'd be #10 or something. I do take into effect winning.

But to argue your 0-12 point (which I discussed with someone before you posted this; i missed this comment until now).

If a team is 0-12, losing all games by 1-point to 12 of the best teams in the country, I'd rate them ahead of a 12-0 team that won their 12 games over 1-AA opponents or other lousy teams (i.e. Lousiana-Monroe) by 1 point. The polls, on the other hand, would rate this crappy team in the Top 25 because they are 12-0.

Winning and losing does matter, but it is overrated by the pollsters. If Wisconsin won those final 2 games, I would have had NO choice but to move them up a lot. However, I thought that up to that point, despite being 9-0, they had failed to prove themselves and, in fact, had done more to prove that they were average than to prove that they were good.

Now, 6 years ago we had a similar situation to what is happening this year. #1 was Tennessee (11-0), #2 was Kansas State (11-0), and #3 was UCLA (10-0). However, UCLA lost 49-45 to the resurgent Miami Hurricanes and Kansas State lost in overtime(?) to Texas A&M in the Big XII championship game, while Tennessee managed to win a tough one from upstart Mississippi State in the SEC championship game.

Can we have a repeat?

#1 is USC (11-0), #2 is Oklahoma (11-0), and #3 is Auburn (11-0). USC plays long-time rival UCLA (6-4), Oklahoma plays in the Big XII championship game against lousy Colorado (7-4), and Auburn plays in the SEC title game against lucky Tennessee (9-2). They probably will all win, but hopefully Oklahoma loses so that Auburn gets their deserved spot in the National Title Game. I don't care that they played less of a nobody schedule than Oklahoma. Oklahoma played in a shitier conference. The SEC is a much better conference than the Big XII. The North Division is horrible, as is Baylor. Texas Tech eeked out a non-defeat against SMU. Texas A&M matured throughout the year, but was a hot and cold team. Oklahoma State fell apart when the meat of their schedule arrived. That leaves 2 arguably good teams. The SEC had Auburn and Georgia who both were proven winners, even though Georgia had two slip-ups. Florida played tough in every game and should have arguably won every game but the Georgia game. Georgia was hands-down better. Florida beat a BCS-possible Florida State team on the road. Georgia beat Georgia Tech. Tennessee is no slouch, but Florida and Georgia were both better. LSU was a quality opponent as well. Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Mississippi State all sucked. Ole Miss was horrible as well. Arkansas nearly beat Texas, and they were misserable. Texas is unquestionably the second best team in the Big XII. Victory: Auburn. It isn't even close, on paper or statistically. Oklahoma should be #3.
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